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Talking to Change: An MI Podcast

Talking to Change with Glenn Hinds & Sebastian Kaplan

Talking To Change: A Motivational Interviewing Podcast, hosted by Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan, is a series of conversations exploring Motivational Interviewing (MI) and its influence on supporting individuals and groups as they make positive health and lifestyle changes. Guests from across the world discuss their special interest in the research, practice and learning of MI along with its place across health, social care, education and criminal justice.

About the Hosts

Glenn Hinds is a registered counselor living in Derry, N. Ireland. He worked as a drug therapist and senior social work practitioner in mental health and alcohol and drug services from 1990 until 2008, when he created Glenn Hinds Motivation & Coaching Consultants.He has been a member of the International Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2003.

Sebastian G. Kaplan, PhD, is an associate professor in the Departments of Psychiatry (Child and Adolescent Section) and Family and Community Medicine at the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in Winston-Salem, NC, USA. Sebastian has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2008. He provides training and consultation in MI for a variety of regional and national audiences.

Episode 76: MI for Burnout & Compassion Fatigue, with Debra Collins, MA, LMFT

In this episode, hosts Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan talk with Debra Collins, MA, LMFT about how to use motivational interviewing as a way to reduce burnout and compassion fatigue. Debra talks about how the MI spirit “helps the helper” as well as how to use the “ask-offer-ask” framework in this context. She also provides examples of ways we can all take better care of ourselves and talks about being a “provider.” At the end of the episode, the group talks about how creativity intersects with wellness.

Episode 75: MI and Spirituality with Sky Kershner

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Sky Kershner, an Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART) trained practitioner, about his early MI story, pastoral counseling and similarities with MI, spiritual experiences and change, autonomy supportive spirituality, faith as trust, ambivalence in spirituality and resolution through forgiveness, and Sky’s explorations with artificial intelligence.

Episode 74: MI and Servant Leadership, with Jemima Neddy Organ

In this episode, Jemima Neddy Organ, a community educator who has worked as an instructor and training consultant in Kenya and the Middle East, joined Glenn and Sebastian to talked about MI in the context of leadership. They discussed what servant leadership is, the distinction between servant and transformational leadership, the core skills of MI (i.e., OARS) and servant leadership, and transitions.

Episode 73: MI and Hope in Alaska, with Sarah Niecko, PhD

In this episode, Dr. Sarah Niecko of the University of Alaska Southeast joins the podcast to talk to Glenn and Sebastian about the transformative potential of motivational interviewing and the healing power of culture, resilience, and hope. Topics covered include: transforming burnout through hope and love, adapting to a new world through curiosity and compassion, embodying the MI spirit, MI spirit directed inward before radiating it forward, language as a way to rediscover identity, and her experiences creating a new integrated behavioral health program.

Episode 72: Non-Suicidal Self-Injury and MI with Victoria Kress, PhD, and Rachel O'Neill, PhD

In this episode, hosts Glenn and Sebastian talk to Drs. Kress and O'Neill about non-suicidal self-injury (NSSI) and how MI fits into conversations with people who exhibit NSSI. They cover how to engage effectively with people who exhibit NSSI, how to reframe "attention seeking" as an effort to connect, the clinician's experience of working with someone who exhibits NSSI, harm reduction and safety planning, blending MI with narrative therapy, pre-session intention setting for clinicians, change talk in the context of NSSI behaviors, and how to go beyond behavior change to help your client.

Episode 71: MI and Harm Reduction, with Dr. Kasey Claborn

In this episode, hosts Glenn and Sebastian talk to Dr. Kasey Claborn, a licensed clinical psychologist and assistant professor of Social Work and Psychiatry at the University of Texas in Austin. They talk about Kasey’s early MI story, what community outreach is, what harm reduction is and how it and abstinence can be considered part of a continuum. Dr. Claborn also describes ways to train harm reduction workers in MI and how to apply similar principles to peer support. Finally, the group discusses barriers to harm reduction and how to overcome them, how to adapt MI for use in a harm reduction context, and what kinds of political aspects of harm reduction might come into play.

Episode 70: MI in the Treatment of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, with Dr. Jim Carter

In this episode, hosts Glenn and Sebastian talk to Dr. Jim Carter, a licensed clinical psychologist who recently founded a specialized online clinic called OCD123. Dr. Carter talks about what obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is, how to help people with OCD, and how our minds work and alternatives for when we get stuck. The episode ends with the group performing and then debriefing a role play focused on helping a new father with fears of contamination/germs.

Episode 69: Coding MI for Learning and Research, with Denise Ernst, PhD

In this episode, Dr. Denise Ernst joined hosts Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan to talk about the importance of coding in MI research and teaching. They discussed the MITI, used for treatment integrity and learning enrichment, softening sustain talk, what to start paying attention to as a new learner, and more.

Episode 68: Executive Functioning and MI, with Tamara Hamilton, LCSW, DMBT

In this episode, hosts Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan talk to Tamara Hamilton, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over 30 years of experience in behavioral health, about executive functions (EF) and what they are, “learning is changing,” Tamara’s journey as the mother of a child with autism, setting the emotional climate when working with children and families, applying MI to EF coaching, parallels when working with parents, EF skills in context, and more.

Episode 67: MI Within the Social Context, with Dr. Paul Earnshaw

In this episode, hosts Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan talk to Dr. Paul Earnshaw, an independent researcher, senior psychological therapist, MI trainer, and member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT). They discuss the integration of MI and cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), the therapeutic relationship, widening the lens beyond a “problem behavior,” creating safety through social empathy, influences on Paul’s early thinking, and a final discussion about Paul’s many interests, including MI/CBT integration and contact tracing.

Episode 66: Neurodiversity and MI, with Deb Solomon

In this episode, hosts Glenn and Sebastian welcome Deb Solomon to the podcast. Deb is a social worker in Adult Care and presents workshops on neurodiversity and executive functioning. Here, she shares her personal story of her own diagnosis with ADHD in 2020, and how that sparked her interest in setting up and serving as the chair of a UK group of neurodivergent social workers (through the British Association of Social Workers). She also talks about gender differences in ADHD, how her own diagnosis changed the way she approached her work, what an MI practitioner should know when working with clients who are neurodiverse, how neurodiversity impacts ambivalence, media attention toward neurodiversity, and what’s helped her that might help others.

Episode 65: Storytelling in Teaching and Learning MI, with Steven Malcolm Berg-Smith

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Steven Malcolm Berg-Smith about ways to use storytelling to enhance teaching and learning motivational interviewing. They talk about the use of cliffhangers in training, how to work with someone who is in “precontemplation” stage, how to resolve ambivalence, and more.

Episode 64: Common Questions about MI, with David Rosengren, PhD

Glenn and Sebastian were excited to welcome David Rosengren, PhD, for a return appearance to answer some common questions they receive in trainings. Dr. Rosengren was one of the founding members of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) and has written books, journal articles, and more about addiction and MI. In the episode, Dr. Rosengren answers questions like "Why does listening help?," "How young can a client be to benefit from MI?," "What if people think you aren't being genuine with affirmations?," and more!

Episode 63: Therapeutic Humor, Part II, with Mallori DeSalle, MA and Lodge McCammon, PhD

In this episode, hosts Glenn Hinds and Sebatian Kaplan talk to Mallori DeSalle and Lodge McCammon about the use of humor in therapy. They talk about ways to evoke humor, use of humor as an invitation to see a situation in a new way, “absurdity training” and finding the absurd from an expected response, the portability of therapeutic humor, and how to introduce a humorous intervention with permission.

Episode 62: Transtheoretical Model Stages of Change & MI with Mary Marden Velasquez, PhD

In this episode, hosts Glenn and Sebastian talk to Mary Marden Velasquez, PhD, an internationally recognized trainer in the Transtheoretical Model and MINT member, about the transtheoretical model stages of change. Topics covered include the 10 Processes of Change, the stages of change and how they relate to MI, decisional balance and self-efficacy, temptation, and what it’s like spending time with “giants” in the field.

Episode 61: Motivational Interviewing & Grief, with with Dr. M. Katherine Shear

In this episode of Talking to Change, Glenn and Sebastian welcome Dr. M. Katherine shear of Columbia University School of Social Work to talk about grief and how MI can be used to address it. Topics addressed include what grief is and how people experience it, what we are losing when a loved one dies, how people can adapt after a loss, the six “healing milestones,” sudden vs. expected loss, and Dr. Shear’s work around grief in the African American community.

Episode 60: Training MI Across Cultures, with Rik Bes

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Rik Bes to the podcast to discuss his work training MI across cultures. Rik talks about how to bring client-centeredness to addiction services in The Netherlands, ways to broaden the cultural scope, adaptations and metaphors from the Middle East to New Zealand, the importance of co-training and seeking feedback, and how to develop hybrid training programs.

Episode 59: Lessons from the Lab: The Gifts of MI, with Dr. Molly Magill

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Dr. Molly Magill for another edition of Lessons from the Lab, where she discusses her research and what she refers to as the “Gifts of MI.” Hear Dr. Magill talk about MI as a “revolutionary approach,” her interest in therapy manuals and her search for an integrative model, important findings from MI process research, and the 3 gifts of MI: 1) be nice, 2) be present, and 3) therapist training.

Episode 58: MI and the Māori Culture, with Tipene Pickett

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Tipene Pickett, a Māori MI provider whose focus is on the relationship between MI and indigenous knowledge and wisdom. Tipene talks about his introduction to MI; the experience of confrontation and learning what’s more helpful; discovering what’s within you and who you are; engagement, self-disclosure, and narratives of origin; confidence rulers; and how language can change our physiology.

Episode 57: Motivational Interviewing & Discord, with Stephen R. Andrew, LCSW

In this episode of Talking to Change, Glenn and Sebastian welcome Stephen R. Andrew, LCSW, LADC, CCS to discuss discord and how MI can be used to address it. He describes the distinction between client-centeredness and MI, how to be a "trauma whisperer" using "gentle guesses" and addressing core needs, discord between the head and the heart, how to develop empathy and compassion, and how to create learning communities. Glenn and Stephen end the episode with a "real play" and debrief.

Episode 56: Motivational Interviewing in Psychiatry, with Antoine Douaihy, M.D

In this episode of Talking to Change, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Antoine Douaihy, MD, Professor of Psychiatry & Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, about the application of motivational interviewing in the practice of psychiatry. Dr. Douaihy talks about the challenge of integrating MI into psychiatry and of “catching the attention” of future psychiatrists, why it’s important to avoid the use of stigmatizing language, how to seek balance and recognize the limits of helpfulness, and ways to reconnect with what matters. The episode ends with a role play and debrief.

Episode 55: Motivational Interviewing and Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT), with Robyn D. Walser, PhD

In this episode of Talking to Change, Glenn and Sebastian explore MI and ACT with Robyn D. Walser, PhD, Director of TL Consultation Services and Assistant Professor at the University of California, Berkeley. Dr. Walser talks about what ACT is, how it works well in combination with MI, noticing ambivalence and other human experiences, acceptance in ACT and how to change through “addition not subtraction,” creative helplessness, the role of language in MI and ACT, and the therapeutic relationship in ACT. The episode ends with a “real-play” with Robin and Glenn followed by a debrief and some recommendations for resources to learn more.

Episode 54: MI in Peer Support Recovery Services, with John Burns

In this episode of Talking to Change, hosts Glenn and Sebastian talk to John Burns, director of SOS Recovery Community Organization and founder of Families Hoping and Coping, about the use of MI in peer support recovery services. John shares his early MI story, talks about lessons learned from early experiences in recovery, and describes "game changers" he encountered after learning client-centered approaches. He then talks about how MI can help in peer support settings, the role of self-disclosure, integrating peer support services within organizations, management of a peer recovery support organization, and more. The episode ends with a role play and debrief.

Episode 53: Motivational Interviewing for Working with Children & Families, with Donald Forrester

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Professor Donald Forrester, Cardiff University CASCADE Centre for Children’s Social Care, about the use of MI with children and families. Professor Forrester talks about what it means to be a “good social worker,” how to balance MI spirit with a child’s safety, recognizing the needs of a vulnerable parent, modeling good care in supervision, and teaching MI to parents so they can use it with their own kids. The episode ends with a role play exploring an allegation of child abuse and a debrief afterwards.

Episode 52: MI in Primary Care Part 2, with Mats Hogmark, MD

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Dr. Mats Hogmark, a Swedish physician specializing in family medicine, about the use of MI in a primary care setting. Dr. Hogmark describes the idea of the physician as an “assistant” and how to “sit on one’s hands,” how to become a better listener through reflections, how MI can save time, and his own model for MI in the clinical setting: the patient, doctor, and mutual roles exploring Ideas, Concerns, and Expectations. The episode ends with a role play with Mats and Glenn followed by a debrief about how to attend to the physical and emotional needs of the patient.

Episode 51: Lessons from the Lab: The Dynamics of Change Talk with April Carcone, PhD, MSW

In this episode, hosts Glenn and Sebastian talk to April Carcone, PhD, MSW about her research on the dynamics of change talk and technological advances in MI. They cover what works to evoke change talk from African American youth, the process of forming research questions, working with youth and their caregivers, developing computerized coding methods, the dilemma of research, eHealth along a continuum of care, and more.

Episode 50: MI for Survivors of Violence, with Dr. Kate Watson

In this episode of Talking to Change, hosts Glenn and Sebastian talk to Dr. Kate Watson about the use of motivational interviewing when working with survivors of violence. Dr. Watson, founder of The Advocacy Academy and author of the book Only Trying to Help, described the role of an advocate and discussed self-advocacy as change talk, working with the “righting reflex” to amplify the voice of the client, difficult decisions for survivors of violence and how to counsel them with neutrality and hope, using affirmations, careful use of reflections, tying questions to hopeful outcomes, and more!

Episode 49: MI in Physio-Physical Therapy (for Chronic Pain), with Maddy Nicholson

In this episode of Talking to Change, Glenn and Sebastian talk to physiotherapist Maddy Nicholson about how motivational interviewing fits into the world of a physio. Maddy describes getting “underneath” the change talk, letting emotion into the room, using MI in a multidisciplinary approach for chronic pain, genuineness in affirmations, and more. The episode ends with a role play in which Maddy demonstrates how to use MI with a person who has back pain.

Episode 48: MI in Schools, with Andrew Williams, NPQH

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to educator Andrew Williams, NPQH, about the use of motivational interviewing in school settings. Topics covered include developing a culture in schools that supports quality relationships, putting community over compliance, the implementation of culture change in schools and how it leads to improvements in behavior and learning, how restorative approaches blend with MI and a more inclusive school culture, why affirmations are more helpful than praise, and how teachers’ use of MI processes and skills facilitates good learning.

Episode 47: MI and Diabetes, with Judith Carpenter

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to dietician Judith Carpenter about diabetes, responding to your “righting reflex” with “a kind heart,” effective directing, what’s been helpful for her when working with people who have diabetes (curiosity, evoking, and client feedback), ways to level power imbalances, psychological aspects of diabetes, and how MI can help when you’re worried about “opening the can of worms.”

Episode 46: Reducing Burnout and Compassion Fatigue with Kristin Dempsey, EdD, and Ali Hall, JD

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Kristin Dempsey and Ali Hall about compassion fatigue and burnout, including their recent focus on structural issues in organizations that have worsened due to COVID and climate crises, organizational responses to stress, why and how MI might be helpful for burnout, how MI can serve as a bridge to positive organizational outcomes, and other organizational strategies. In addition, Kristin leads a meditation for helping the helpers, and Ali discusses the concept of a “self-compassion” break.

Episode 45: “Effective Psychotherapists” with Bill Miller & Terri Moyers

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Drs. William R. Miller and Theresa B. Moyers, authors of “Effective Psychotherapists.” Bill and Terri describe their story of collaboration through research and writing, and talk about predicting therapy outcomes beyond techniques, empathy and genuineness, the internal experience and external skill, what not to do and how you can tell, learning the core characteristics through doing and feedback, belief in others, and how MI changed their lives.

Episode 44: MI and Social Support for Opiate and Stimulant Use Disorders, with Paul Delaney

In part two of a pair of episodes on MI for opiate and stimulant use disorders, Glenn and Sebastian talked to Paul Delaney, clinical supervisor, therapist, adult educationalist, and trainer in Dublin, Ireland. Paul talked about working with people who misuse opiates and stimulants, how to avoid the premature focus trap, ways to support autonomy with someone who uses heroin, harm reduction, and MI and restorative justice.

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Episode 43: MI and Weight Management, with Claire Lane, PhD

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Dr. Claire Lane, a clinical psychologist at Swansea Bay University Health Board, UK. Dr. Lane talks about the complexities of working in a weight management service, how to establish safety and highlight strengths through engagement, the focusing process and blending MI with other therapies, and client-centered agenda setting. She also offers advice on how to respond to clients who say “just tell me what to do,” draw on people’s past efforts at weight loss, and raise concerns (with permission).

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Episode 42: MI for People with Opioid Use and Stimulant Use Disorders, with Roy Stein, MD

In this episode (the first of two episodes about MI for opioid and stimulant use disorders), Glenn and Sebastian talk to Dr. Roy Stein, Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at University of North Carolina’s School of Medicine. Dr. Stein talks about ways to help people engaging in behavior that puts them at high risk for death, managing the “righting reflex” and reducing risk for burnout, the role of harm reduction for opioid use disorders, adaptations of MI for stimulant use disorders, medication treatment for substance use disorders, and more.

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Episode 41: Ethical Considerations of MI, with Patrick Berthiaume

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian explore ethical considerations in MI with Patrick Berthiaume, a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT). Topics explored include Patrick’s early MI story, the importance of empathy and the potential of others, Patrick’s “four conditions” of MI, considerations regarding neutrality, ethical dilemmas involving families with children at risk, and more.

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Episode 40: MI for Youth with HIV, with Salome Nicole Cockern, PhD

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Salome Nicole Cockern, PhD, pediatric psychologist and Assistant Professor at Wayne State University, about the use of motivational interviewing with youth who have HIV. Topics discussed include intentionality when working with youth, conversations with youth to support healthy decisions, helping young people with HIV feel valued, use of affirmation, being mindful to be helpful, and how judgment doesn't help.

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Episode 39: MI with People Who Are Homeless, with Danny Lang, MSW

In this episode, Danny Lang, a registered social worker and psychotherapist at the Canadian Mental Health Association in Ottawa, talks to Glenn and Sebastian about the use of motivational interviewing with people who are experiencing homelessness, including thinking of the MI Spirit as the "container" of the four processes, resisting the "righting reflex," client feedback as evidence of effectiveness, self-care, and helpful skills for helpful conversations.

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Episode 38: MI for Vaccine Hesitancy, with Amanda Gabarda, EdD, MPH, NBC-HWC

In this episode, Amanda Gabarda talks to Glenn and Sebastian about applying the skills and techniques of MI to vaccine hesitancy, supporting autonomy around vaccine decision-making, “shoulders up” vs “shoulders down” conversations, what the research says about use of MI for vaccine hesitancy, and how to approach a helpful conversation on this issue.

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Episode 37: MI in Puerto Rico, with Gabrielle Ruiz Tudó, MA

In episode 37, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Gabrielle Ruiz Tudó, a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) and program evaluator who has been involved in several efforts to make MI more accessible to Spanish speakers. She talks here about helping clients find their own tools and own their process, MI in Puerto Rico, important cultural elements of Puerto Rico, the adaptation of MI for use in Spanish, and learning the micro- and macro-skills of MI.

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Episode 36: The Psycholinguistics of MI, with Paul Amrhein, PhD

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk with experimental psycholinguist Paul Amrhein, PhD, who worked with Bill Miller in the 90s on exploring the nature and role of client language evoked during MI as a predictor of substance use outcomes. He talks here about the original DARRN-C coding system; category, valence, and strength of change language; double-sided reflections and the reflection to question ratio; psycholinguistics beyond substance use conversations; change talk; and how experience affects learning MI.

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Episode 35: Experiential Motivational Interviewing, with Matt McKenzie

In this episode, Matt McKenzie talks with Glenn and Sebastian about experiential practices as a precursor to MI, the “carpet tiles” exercise, the “life’s blueprint exercise” (MI spirit through art, metaphor, and core skills), healing as a creative act, resistance as a fear of knowing, meeting vulnerability with kindness, and his work on compassion fatigue in helpers.

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Episode 34: MI from an Evolutionary Perspective with Abilio (Bill) de Almeida Neto, PhD

In this episode, Dr. Abilio (Bill) de Almeida Neto joins Glenn and Sebastian for a unique conversation about possible underlying evolutionary mechanisms of MI. Concepts covered include seeking a theory of MI to understand underlying mechanism, why telling people to change typically doesn’t work, social hierarchy in MI conversations, oppositional behavior as adaptive, the Rogerian influence on MI through an evolutionary lens, how MI helps deactivate unconscious mechanisms that hinder behavior change, and understanding the impact of all of this on clinicians.

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Episode 33: MI in Dietetics, with Orla Adams

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Orla Adams, a dietician specializing in weight management, about the application of motivational interviewing in dietetics. Topics covered include early lessons from the MI spirit (empathy and acceptance), how to tell if MI is working, self-discover, skill development, application of MI to selective eating, and continued learning beyond the workshop.

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Episode 32: MI in South Africa and Goodman Sibeko, MD, PhD

In this episode, Goodman Sibeko, MD, PhD, Head of Addiction Psychiatry at the University of Cape Town and Co-Director of the PEPFAR- and SAMHSA-funded South Africa HIV ATTC, joins Glenn and Sebastian to talk about use of MI in South Africa. Topics discussed include: cultural factors in South Africa and how this impacts health care communication, power dynamics in the doctor-patient relationship and the ambivalence that can arise from that imbalance, practitioners’ willingness to shift practice, and how to engage with others to counter toxic communication.

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Episode 31: MI in Borderline Personality Disorder Interventions, with Florence Chanut, MD, FRCPC

In this episode, Dr. Florence Chanut, an assistant professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Addiction of Universite de Montreal, Quebec, joins the podcast to talk about Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), why people with BPD “are the best teachers of MI,” MI spirit when working with people with BPD, useful points of emphasis when using reflections, addressing stigma toward people with BPD, and compassion and self-compassion.

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Episode 30: MI and Social Work with Melinda Hohman, PhD, MSW

In this episode, Dr. Hohman, Professor and Director Emeritus in the School of Social Work at San Diego State University, joins the podcast to talk about social work values and MI, working in child welfare settings, strategies for teaching MI, MI and burnout, MI and contact tracing, and her forthcoming book, MI in Social Work Practice (2nd edition).

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Episode 29: MI in College and University Settings, with Peter Rives

In this episode, Peter Rives, Assistant Director of Wellbeing in the Office of Wellbeing at Wake Forest University, joins Glenn and Sebastian to talk about prevention efforts in college and university settings; using MI in college and university settings; how to build a culture of engagement, trust, and authenticity; MI learning communities on campus; and ways to strengthen the “affirmation muscle.”

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Episode 28: Beyond MI: Helping Young People Change, with Michael Arterberry

Michael Arterberry, a self-described Master Encourager and Dynamic Motivational Speaker, joins the podcast to talk about breaking cycles, overcoming fear to create change, becoming the “driver” of your life, empathy across cultures, and his program for adolescents in schools.

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Episode 27: Telehealth & MI, with Jordan Braciszewski, PhD

In this episode, Jordan Braciszewski, PhD, a research scientist at the Center for Health Policy and Health Services Research at Henry Ford Health System in Detroit, MI, joins Glenn and Sebastian to talk about MI and telehealth, beginning with a rationale for using telehealth, how to transition to telehealth (including how to overcome barriers), empirical support for telehealth, MI skills in telehealth, virtual schooling during the pandemic, and more.

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Episode 26: Self-Determination Theory & MI, with Richard M. Ryan, PhD

In this episode, Dr. Richard M. Ryan, Professor at the Institute for Positive Psychology & Education at Australian Catholic University and Research Professor in Psychology at the University of Rochester in New York, provides insight into self-determination theory (SDT). He describes intrinsic motivation and the importance of autonomy, SDT and MI together, change talk through the lens of SDT, the SDT continuum of motivation, the risk of therapist ego involvement, SDT in the context of COVID-19, and more.

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Episode 25: Physical Self-Care and MI, with Katie Brogan Hartlieb, PhD, RDN

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian talk to Dr. Katie Brogan Hartlieb of Wayne State University about physical self-care. Dr. Hartlieb talks about her own journey with MI, why MI can be useful in the context of physical self-care, and how to slow down and tune in, strike a balance between body, mind, and spirit, listen to your own cues, and care for yourselves and others. She also discusses ways to support self-care for kids.

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Episode 24: MI for Suicide Prevention, with Emma Braconier

In this episode, Emma Braconier, a social worker based in Sweden who has volunteered for years at Sweden’s largest suicide support line (MIND), talks about finding hope from the Swedish suicide statistics, daring to listen, and MI skills relevant to suicide prevention, like eliciting “life talk,” affirming actions, double-sided reflections, and exploring values.

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Episode 23: Public Health Interventions and MI, with Jane Groves

In this episode, Jane Groves, who has worked as a public health and health improvement specialist in the National Health Service in Scotland and England for over 30 years, addresses health disparities, MI as a way to empower individuals, meaning and purpose as vehicles for behavior change, and how MI can inform health care interventions, as well as presenting an example of a successful public health intervention (breastfeeding).

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Episode 22: MI in Emergency Settings, with Ravi Maharajh, MA, EdS, LPC, ACS

In this episode, Ravi Maharajh, MA, EdS, LPC, ACS, Director of Marketing and Communications for a large community mental health system in New Jersey, joins Glenn and Sebastian to talk about the application of motivational interviewing in emergency settings, including its use in brief interventions, how to find your “authentic space” using MI skills, practitioner self-care, and change talk in emergency settings.

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Episode 21: MI & Therapeutic Humor, with Mallori DeSalle, MA, LMHC, NCC, CMHC, MATS, CPS

In this episode, Mallori DeSalle, a licensed mental health counselor, nationally certified counselor, medication-assisted treatment specialist, and internationally certified prevention specialist, talks about the use of humor in clinical contexts, including letting laughter be okay, laughter as catharsis, responding to humor as a barrier with kindness and safety, humor in the context of training, and her “LAffirmations” project.

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Episode 20: MI When Working with People with Psychosis, with Dr. Rory Allott

Dr. Rory Allott, a clinical psychologist working part-time in the National Health Services, joins Glenn and Sebastian to talk about the use of MI when working with people who have a diagnosis of psychosis. Dr. Allott provides an overview of his work with people with psychosis, and talks about approaches to working with this population that involve empathy, patience, offering choice, and the power of a “kind face.”.

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Episode 19: The Role of Feedback in MI, with Denise Walker, PhD

Denise Walker, PhD, a licensed clinical psychologist, Research Associate Professor at the University of Washington, and Director of the Innovative Programs Research Group joins the podcast to talk about Motivational Enhancement Therapy (MET) and the role of feedback, as well as findings from the Teen Marijuana Check-Up program.

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Episode 18: MI with People Who Have Sexually Abused, with David Prescott

David Prescott, Clinical Services Development Director for the Becket Family of Services, joins the podcast to talk about the use of motivational interviewing with people who have sexually abused, resisting the “righting reflex,” stretching the limits of compassion, moving “upstream” from behavior, understanding without collusion, and the SOAP approach (Stable, Occupied, Accountable, Plan).

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Episode 17: MI for Multimorbidity, with Kylie McKenzie, MAPS, FCCLP

Kylie McKenzie, MAPS, FCCLP, a clinical psychologist from Melbourne, Australia, joins Glenn and Sebastian to talk about the challenge of having and treating multiple chronic conditions, the meaning of the term “patient-centered,” the continuum of MI skills in practice, and her research on improving depressive symptoms in people with multimorbidity as well as understanding MI from the clinician’s perspective.

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Episode 16: MI in Leadership and Organizations (MILO), with Fredrik Eliasson

Fredrik Eliasson, a social worker with more than 20 years’ experience in management and organizations, joins the podcast to talk about MI as “a way of doing the work that I’m doing,” shifting workplace culture, psychological safety in the workplace, affirmations in strength-based leadership, and upcoming research on engagement in the workplace.

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Episode 15: MI in Health Care, with Dr. Damara Gutnick

Dr. Damara Gutnick, MD joins the podcast to talk about MI in health care. Dr. Gutnick is the medical director of the Montefiore Hudson Valley Collaborative in New York; Associate Professor in the departments of departments of Epidemiology and Population Health, Family Medicine, & Psychiatry and Behavioral Health at the Albert Einstein School of Medicine; and Director of Quality and Research at the non-profit Centre for Collaboration, Motivation & Innovation. In this episode, she talks about preventing burnout, using a “sprinkling” of MI in 7-9 minutes, change talk and the stages of change model, self-compassion, and whole person health.

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Episode 14: MI in Sports and Performance Settings, with Dr. Jeff Breckon

Dr. Jeff Breckon, Head of Research in the Academy of Sport and Physical Activity at Sheffield Hallam University, joins the podcast to talk about using MI to create a different culture in sport, challenges and opportunities for MI in elite sport, athlete mental health, and whole systems approaches.

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Episode 13: MI with CBT and Health Behaviour Change with Adolescents, with Dr. Sylvie Naar

Dr. Sylvie Naar, Distinguished Endowed Professor in the College of Medicine’s department of Behavioural Sciences and Social Medicine at Florida State University, joins the podcast to talk about crossing cultural boundaries, her research career integrating MI in treatment of pediatric HIV, diabetes and obesity; implementation science in Florida, how CBT can inform MI practice, and training and implementation of MI in agencies.

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Episode 12: The Engaging Process, Enhancing Autonomy Support, and Self-Esteem in MI, with Alan Zuckoff, PhD

Dr. Allan Zuckoff, Vice President for Clinical Program Development at Vital Decisions, talks with Glenn and Sebastian about the engaging process, markers of engagement, the pressure clients feel to change, the balance between autonomy support and directionality, engagement as a form of intimacy, and the role of self-esteem in MI.

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Episode 11: Teaching and Learning MI, with David Rosengren, PhD

David Rosengren, PhD, President and CEO of the Prevention Research Institute in Kentucky, USA, joins the podcast to talk about his book, “Building Motivational Interviewing Skills: A Practitioner Workbook,” developing a personalized training style, mastery vs. fluency, the growth mindset, and positive psychology and grit.

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Episode 10: Positive Affirmations in MI, with Tim Apodaca, PhD

In this episode, Tim Apodaca, PhD, licensed psychologist and associate professor of pediatrics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, talks about the difference between affirmation and praise, genuine affirmations with case discussion, eliciting goals and values, research on the connection between affirmations and change talk, the importance of curiosity, and research on “envisioning the future” with clients.

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Episode 9: MI and Positive Psychology, with Majella Greene

In this episode, Majella Green, a registered social worker with master’s degrees in applied positive psychology and social work policy and research, joins the podcast from London, UK to talk about positive psychology, challenges in research, examples in practice, the importance of nonverbal communication, and trauma-informed practice and practitioner burnout.

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Episode 8: Trauma in Practice and MI, with Dee-Dee Stout

In this episode, Dee-Dee Stout, clinician, trainer, and author on the intersection between MI and trauma-informed practice, joins the podcast to talk about how not focusing on symptoms in favor of engagement with clients who have experienced trauma can make the work more effective and rewarding for the client and practitioner alike.

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Episode 7: The Development, Future, and Practice of MI with Stephen Rollnick, PhD

In this episode, Steve Rollnick, the co-founder of Motivational Interviewing, describes the development and future direction of MI and explores his journey with Bill Miller in translating MI from a world of specialist psychology to one of everyday practice.

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Episode 6: Change Talk (Client Language in Helping Conversations) with Theresa Moyers, PhD

In this episode, Theresa Moyers, PhD, associate professor of psychology at the University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, shares her ideas with Glenn and Sebastian on the importance of change talk within MI, based on her extensive experiences as a clinician and researcher on the treatment of addictive behaviors. Topics include what change talk is and why it matters, sustain talk, talking one's self into change, the cilnician as influencer, and client language within an empathic relationship.

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Episode 5: Carl Rogers and Person-Centered Helping

In this episode of Talking to Change, Chris Wagner, PhD, associate professor, department vice-chair, and licensed clinical psychologist in the department of rehabilitation counseling at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia shares his insights into the work of Carl Rogers and how his theories and method of client-centered counseling helped shape the practice of MI.

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Episode 4: Motivational Interviewing & Compassion, with Stan Steindl, PhD

In this episode of Talking to Change, Glenn and Sebastian welcome Stan Steindl, PhD. Dr. Steindl discusses the bidirectional relationship between compassion and MI, specifically how compassion is a key element of the MI spirit and how MI style conversations can help guide someone towards a more compassionate view of themselves or others, which can also help bring about a host of benefits to one’s health.

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Episode 3: The Four Processes

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian focus on the four processes of Motivational Interviewing (MI). The four processes are Engage, Focus, Evoke & Plan. Sebastian and Glenn also demonstrate an MI conversation centered on smoking.

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Episode 2: The Core Skills

In this episode, Glenn and Sebastian focus on the core skills of Motivational Interviewing (MI), often presented as the acronym OARS. The core skills are Open-Ended Questions, Affirmations, Reflections, and Summaries.

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Episode 1: The Spirit of Motivational Interviewing

In the first episode the podcast, Glenn and Sebastian introduce themselves and discuss their hopes for the podcast. They also provide an overview of the Motivational Interviewing (MI) Spirit, which consists of four guiding elements that all MI practitioners strive to uphold when engaging in MI conversations with clients: Partnership, Acceptance, Compassion, and Evocation.

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